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MAIN ARTICLE CLOSED DUE TO OBESITY! ITT: ALL NEW rAIDS INFO.
AMERIFAGS TRY AND KEEP THESE THINGS ALPHABETIZED - LOOK TO SEE IF YOUR CITY IS ALREADY ON HERE BEFORE ADDING IT AGAIN"
^ THAT WAS FOR THE iRL PLANNING ^ WHICH HAS NOW BEEN SUBPAGE ARCHIVED
VAGUE CHRONOLOGY AS TO WHEN REPORTS COME IN - SO MORE EAST TO WEST THAN ALPHEBETTY
◄ € Zenophile ﮚ ► æ ◄ Ǽ Talk ► 17:56, 10 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] PLANS FOR THIS PAGE
'WHAT WILL HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER - PROBABLY SOONER -
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AUSTRALIA - EUROPE - AND AMERICAN SUBPAGES
EACH CONTINENT WILL THEN HAVE A SUBPAGE WITH MORE DETAILS AND PIX FOR EACH CITY INVOLVED
YES THE PAGE IS HUGE - BUT SO IS THE DEMAND AT THE OMEN - A BAD COMBINATION.
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◄ € Zenophile ﮚ ► æ ◄ Ǽ Talk ► 19:24, 10 February 2008 (CST)
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[edit] Do NOT commence chargin your Lazors!
Shining a laser pointer at scilons to try and fuck up photos / film = VERY NO. Remember : we are dealing with extremely litigious zealots who see us as criminals to be destroyed, they WILL claim you deliberately shone it in their eyes and damaged their vision. There was at least one case I know of where chavs dazzled a bus driver with a laser and it went to court. Also, it's just bad PR. I'm going to remove this fail suggestion, please don't re-add unless you have very convincing evidence for why I'm wrong. --The bloated loli corpse of Madeleine McCann 15:21, 4 February 2008 (CST)
Get us a bad naem irl and you'll be epic fail, as well as go to jail. Stop failing and do it right. Revenant 08:34, 3 March 2008 (CST)
[edit] Common questions
It seems that followers will ask some questions a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y we need answers ready. "what are you afraid of?" is a pretty popular one apparently. a good answer would probably revolve around the concept of "my family and friends being brainwashed" etc. we need to think about these things. Nivi 17:34, 3 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Spirit of Man CDs
Anyone thought of burning these CDs and giving them away near COS buildings? Or maybe just selling them at a price high enough to cover blank CD expenses.
[edit] Locations Discussions
Phoenix, AZ - Some people dont have facebook like me, can somone copypasta the details. Master Pvic 11:20, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Rhode Island - Does anyone have any information for even an office in Rhode Island? There's got to be something I can do without taking a damn train to Boston. I'd be willing to protest/raid/whatever. Vael Victus 18:36, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Buffalo, NY - There is an org on Main Street. This anon is unable to attend, but I bet there are anons at U/B/ and /B/uff state willing to organize a raid. --omnomnom 20:19, 31 January 2008 (CST)
[edit] High Res Resources
PLz Post Links to High Res Resources such as POsters / Flyers / Leaflets / Postcards Etc Here to save Bandwidth on ED ... they will be uploaded to the Photobucket kthx.
[http://www.mediafire.com/?8zych2yglmk Satirical Scientology 'Join today!' leaflet (.doc). Please do what you will with it, since I am not computer literate enough to 'hi-res' it.
"Fight Scientology Now!" poster
NEW Scientology story/recap Great Leaflet
Here's one:
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| »⇔«¿ 02:46, 2 February 2008 (CST)
[1] Here's a Stencil I made earlier, plz upload kthx! :D:D Not You 13:19, 10 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Recently Viewed on Amazon
I thought this was humorous. --Infin8Monkeys 01:22, 31 January 2008 (CST)
-- lulz ◄ € Zenophile ﮚ ► æ ◄ Ǽ Talk ► 08:22, 31 January 2008 (CST)
[edit] Someone sent anthrax-like white powder to several SciFag centers in Southern California
Things like that discredit the effort. On the other hand, I think it's quite possible that the Scientos sent it to themselves, in order to gain sympathy and make the police a bit angry at Anon. That will never happen becauuse the police are on our side and they love us. Just in case, though, if you had a similar idea, I don't think it does us any good. --| »⇔«¿ 18:58, 31 January 2008 (CST)
- -- i vote it was false flag by sci's - i was not convinced of the wired "man harrassed either"...
... also economist! ◄ € Zenophile ﮚ ► æ ◄ Ǽ Talk ► 19:12, 31 January 2008 (CST)
- Maybe we should issue a communiqué to the media (Digg?) to condemn Scientology's misuse of police resources by staging such phony acts of Terror. Anon would never even joke about harming another living being. For that matter we should issue a communiqué condemning their DDOS atrtacks on ED! I bet they didn't cover their trail particularly well, either. --
| »⇔«¿ 20:30, 31 January 2008 (CST)
- That is very well within the MO of them - much like the desperate ugly girl who sent herself flowers in high school/college/first job as a secretary. TfoTalk to meListen to me. 20:25, 2 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Small Flyers
Are the flyers small for a reason? I mean, it's really hard to read smaller text on them, and it wouldn't look too good if you post flyer everywhere and no one can read them. I'm just saying.--ToyoWolf 13:10, 2 February 2008 (CST)
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[edit] LOL I really don't think they realize the scale and scope of what is coming
--| »⇔«¿ 14:47, 3 February 2008 (CST)
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3645
Message from SciFag center to local SciFags:
Hello, Last week this email below was sent to you. This week Our Org received notice that a group called "Anonymous" will be picketing the Org on 10 feb.2008. That is next sunday. Please check your email often this coming week,because we want everyone there for support, to be on course, to man the VM tent and perhaps some other actions as well. You will be receiving an email from our DSA Deb Danos mid-week. Now is the time to support the Org!
SIGNS of SUCCESS
"Whenever we're really winning, the squirrels start to scream. You can tell if somebody is a squirrel.
They howl or make trouble when we're winning. Spectacular success can quadruple the number of complaints. Tell the complainees: "Come in, get Clear." Otherwise skip it.
To understand a squirrel,consider the reaction of somebody who could not run the fifth leg of Help, "How could another person help another person." The thought of this drives some people spinny. That's a squirrel. They can't view other people helping others without going berserk. There's nothing personal in having squirrels. Even heroes can have lice."
L. Ron Hubbard HCOB of 1 MAY 1958
Have you noticed that there are a few squirrels gathering 'round? Above is the LRH answer for dealing with squirrels. With an Ideal Org in Georgia we can keep more squirrels in the trees where they belong.
Please Donate today for OUR IDEAL ORG
ORG PHONE 770-522-8983
© 2007 CSGA. All rights reserved. SCIENTOLOGY and LRH, are trademarks and service marks owned by Religious Technology Center and are used with its permission. Services relating to Scientology religious philosophy are delivered throughout the world exclusively by licensees of the Church of Scientology International and with the permission of Religious Technology Center, holder of the SCIENTOLOGY and DIANETICS trademarks.
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- PS: Please phone the number above and recite some of this nonsense about squirrels.
--| »⇔«¿ 14:51, 3 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Scientologists Taking Pictures.
I am a minor that will be attending a protest in Orlando next Sunday. I've seen the footage of Scifags taking pictures of the Anons. Is there some law that prohibits them from having/using/releasing photos of minors? VampiressMaura 18:49, 3 February 2008 (CST)
- Only if you show tits or bush. -§a¡n† S¡†hney 00:06, 11 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Gambits for Lulz?
New to the Lulz thing, and won't be able to attend on the 10th.
However, in reviewing the materials, I'm hoping I can help.
Suggestions for dealing with Scifags who are harrassing Anon:
- Do not jump right to Xenu, Lisa McPherson, crimes of Co$.
- Do not seek to confront, but to confuse and subjugate. Ghanditech is well and good, but if you must say something, you might as well make it Lulzy and demoralizing.
Reasoning:
It is likely that anyone sent out will not be high-ranked enough to know WTF you mean.
Suggestions:
- Claim Anon is OT and free of body Thetans (You are, as you don't believe this crap) and that you have found that the Co$ has become corrupt due to evil body Thetans infesting the leaders. Extra Lulz (?): Bring images of Tom Cruise, high-rank leaders w/shopped body thetans. SHOOP DA WOOP, if you like, make look evil. Claim pictures taken with L.R. Hubbard's personal camera. Show old camera.
- Less appropriate: evil BTs +goatse after the first pictures.
- Demand e-meter readings for entire Anon group (possibly in exchange for leaving). Screw with the e-meter by tightening grip.
- Also Lulz: construct own skin galvanometer. Offer to do reading on the harasser for $1.
- Also Lulz: construct own skin galvanometer. Offer to do reading on the harasser for $1.
- Claim that Co$ is currently controlled by Squirrels. (This may not work against low-levels).
- Offer to rid them of all body thetans and elevate their status to OTIII for $50. If they bite, take the money and wave hands over them, pronounce them clean. Resume picketing. Since they have no BTs to begin with, the transaction is legal and not robbery. That you're offering something crazy is their problem.
- Claim anon is freelance psychiatrists (This may result in violence. Be careful. This may also help Anon in leaving with less observation if one anon uses this and becomes center of attention.)
- Try to get LaRouche Youth Movement to show up and offer their own crackpottery. Grassroots crazy vs. the establishment crazy.
- Pose for any Co$-taken pictures.
- Take pictures of Co$ picturetakers taking pictures of posing anons.
- Yell: C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! During bullbaiting attempts. Repeat until entire group is synchronized. This is the only applicable meme that could assist anon in the raid.
- Explain that you are spreading the word about Co$ in accordance with LRH's will, as discovered by playing The Road to Freedom backward.
- Get copy of The Road to freedom. Backmask in message.
- Get copy of The Road to freedom. Backmask in message.
Concluding remarks:
Keep in mind you likely know more about Scientology than they do. It is easy to corrupt the meanings from this position. Strike without mercy at the levels they understand, and sow doubt and confusion. Lead in gently, turn the screw slowly, snap the certainty in their brains by attacking the pillars of faith.
But do not undertake this lightly. If you are not sure you can speak with confidence and authority, you are better off by simply being Anonymous.
--TheShrike 23:52, 3 February 2008 (CST)
The protests on the 10th are protesting the Church of Scientology, as in the actions of the administration, not the beliefs of Scientology. You should not say anything that could be construed as being against freedom of religion, especially if the media is present. --Infin8Monkeys 03:02, 4 February 2008 (CST)
So noted; I mean these ideas purely as a means to counter bullbaiting and hostile action by Co$ flunkies through creating confusion and doubt. Some of them were malicious, I am aware.
While it may be too late now, perhaps business cards to hand out with the links to pages (for the commonfolk) explaining anon, as well as Xenutv, whyaretheydead, and such. It'll be easier for people to carry than a full flier, and if a scientologist asks for your business card, you might end up making them doubt as well.
The other idea is sheet of paper Guy Fawkes masks, sold for $0.25 each to cover printing costs, or distributed for free. bring String/rubber bands to hold the masks on, in case anyone you inform wants to join. Of course, notify them of the risk they could be taking, and even reccomend against it if surveilance levels are sufficiently high and undistractable.
For when you need to itch your nose or something, consider bringing umbrellas. Big ones. Sun or rain, they keep the cameras off.
Finally, 'NO U' should also help with both 'What are your crimes?/Why are you afraid?' and the in-your-mask insulters; fast and simple, it offends no one.
--TheShrike 02:26, 6 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] I propose the Squirrel
I propose the Squirrel as the official totem/mascot of Project Chanology. I'm not talking about furfaggotry, but about the clever and inquisitive animal friend so cruelly hated by the SciFags.--| »⇔«¿ 11:39, 4 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Freedom Fighters in Boise, ID
Just wanted to know if there was anyone up here to join in the fight, if not, then ill have to get my shit together and start something up. Baconator96 17:33, 5 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] new poster
jpg here [2]
split (printable) pdf here [3]
[edit] Boston Names
I gotta give credit to the Boston guys and their reference to the Mystery Science Theater 3000 mocking of "Space Mutiny" in all of their names.
You get a Baconator if I ever meet any of you. Baconator 13:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)
[edit] Special Story for Scientologists
Okay, so it's drawn by a furfag, but look at it anyway: http://www.pholph.com/arcview.php?ID=1012
It's 10 pages long, probably just sized well enough to make into a small booklet if you have time. Give these to Scientologists to read if you can keep them from bullbaiting you long enough to actually read it.
The comic SHOULD be reasonably effective, as it avoids nearly ALL mention of Scientology, Xenu, and Lisa McPherson (which would likely cause them to "tune out" an otherwise useful message") -- the only tipoff is that the cult is represented as "The Hubbard". Instead, it focuses on the (hopefully present) doubts of a low-level member and the absurdity of the demands upon them. I'm still not sure if I can make it to the raid, but if so, you can bet I'll try this. Jigsaw 20:30, 9 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] moving this satire article to talk page
I'm putting it here because it's a joke article that someone put on the article page.
--| »⇔«¿ 15:10, 10 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Helpful Advice
Firstly, none of you have heard from me before and it is highly likely you will again anytime soon.
Make your own conclusions from that if you want but I’ll save you the trouble and simply say the reason is that I am either still “in”, I am gagged beyond all reason or I simply cannot get involved for my own personal sanity. Any one of which is good reason enough. And if OSA (or whatever is left of it) ends up reading this please don’t bother trying to figure it out either, you never will so save yourself the trouble and keep up your good work as you are.
I’ll say this however so you at least know where I’m coming from. The church as it stands today WILL eventually crumble from within. It is simply a matter of time. I have long since concerned myself with bigger issues in this world but I have been impressed with the anonymous movement.
I am here to give them some advice in the hopes that it does truly accelerate the inevitable. If it does not, well so be it but it won’t be much longer in any event. David is doing a fine job of this on his own.
Some of you will no doubt debate this endlessly as to who I am, what are my motives, etc, etc. but I urge you to not get distracted from the work you and your friends are doing and simply listen to what I have to say and, hopefully, use it to help you get where you are going a little quicker.
This is for anonymous and those working with them. What you have started is nothing short of monumental I can assure you. It has caused and continues to cause utter chaos within the church. However please, please be warned that you have opened Pandora’s box and it will go one of two ways from here. You will have to get very, very organized to make sure it goes your way.
And if I may I would very much like you to heed my advice. Before I begin however there is a fair bit of this advice to give. If you don’t have the time or inclination to go through it all just go to my summary at the bottom. And if you don’t have the time for that then you absolutely MUST heed the advice of the more sensible critics out there (“the bearded one” and “magoo” spring to mind) for your sake as much as anyone else’s. And forget about all the stupid illegal stuff for god’s sake. Any of that and frankly you deserve all of the wrath that David can muster.
If you’re still here then here goes… Your biggest strengths are not in fact your anonymity or your numbers. These are vital of course and they will keep you going despite the church’s efforts to stop you but in actual fact your real strength lies in both your perspective and the information you have. These are also of course the church’s weaknesses. They have zero perspective on the real world and they are incapable of stopping the truth from coming out. As I said above they will crumble from within for this exact reason.
But if you are to achieve your stated aims and accelerate the inevitable then it is how you go about getting this information out there and the way in which you do this which is utterly critical. Get it wrong and you will not only fail but you will rue the day you even thought about starting all this.
From what I can tell most of you are not opposed to people helping themselves with whatever works for them but like most intelligent people you have a serious problem with oppression and having anything forced upon you. Assuming this please keep a few things in mind. The majority of people who are introduced to scientology bow out gracefully long before they get hooked and they continue on with their lives. They may be badgered incessantly for months and years after but they are not forced into anything.
Many of those who stay and get hooked have genuinely been helped by scientology in gaining whatever piece of mind that they needed. Some of them have gone on to do brilliant things and make a real difference in this world. Some of course get “hooked” in a very unhealthy way indeed but they know no better. The vast, vast majority of scientologists are good people and they have committed no crimes. Of course they do not know the truth and if they did they would move on very quickly.
You must keep this in mind in all your activities. There are a very, very small number indeed who know the real deal behind the church. You need not concern yourself with sending them any messages. You can do all you want to try and rattle their cage but it will accomplish little. It is the followers that need enlightening. And they need to be enlightened COMPASSIONATELY, NOT aggressively. And remember everything you are doing is being watched by a lot of people. They fall into a few different categories and each one will digest your activities very differently.
I would say there are roughly four of these categories that you need to keep in mind. The first is the general public that have either never heard of scientology or have heard of it and generally dismiss it. The second are those that have heard of it and are curious and/or know something about it and don’t generally see any problem with it. The third is of course the scientologists themselves. And the fourth would be the critics.
General Public
The biggest by far is the general public. For them it is nothing more than another strange story about scientology and though they may be mildly fascinated they’ll probably forget about it soon enough. However this is where your plans could back fire the most.
YOU MUST NOT ALIENATE THE GENERAL PUBLIC!
Live and let live is a fairly common attitude in today’s civilized society. If your actions are seen to be aggressive, too weird or un-palatable in any way this will start to work against you. They will simply sympathise with scientology and in time potentially become curious enough to check it out for themselves.
Unless I am mistaken you are doing this to put an end to the abuse that has been occurring for years so please focus on that. Make sure your message is succinct, honest and above all simple. This will allow it to be digested much more easily by those who aren’t bothered either way and re-focus their attention to what is WRONG with scientology as opposed to just being reminded that it still exists.
Jenna Miscavige’s story is a very good example of a simple, digestible and succinct story that is very hard to refute. Those who watched the inside edition broadcast simply cannot come away with a positive view of the church. In contrast the whole Xenu thing is, in my opinion, one of the least effective points to make. It simply isn’t believable. It may keep the average intelligent person away which I suppose isn’t a bad thing but that is not why you are doing all that you are.
Scientology’s best customers (the ones that stay in and spend loads of money) are people searching for answers and they will no doubt have read stranger things in their quest. Xenu is just another “out there” concept easily associated with countless other ideas. At best it is funny. At worst it will make you look stupid and you will lose credibility. Again you must focus on your objective and when preparing any action (utube, protests, interviews, etc) do all you can to ensure you maintain the general public’s approval.
The Curious
Onto the second; those that are curious and don’t really see anything wrong with scientology. Much of the above applies but you risk simply reminding them about scientology and in turn sending them in the wrong direction. If you get your message across correctly the majority of them will walk away from scientology. Some may even be tempted to learn more about your side of the story. This is where you absolutely must get it right. And I am very sorry to say this but you are currently getting it very, very wrong.
When I first started looking on line to see what the critics were saying it took me hours to find something coherent. It took me days more to find tangible stories that I could actually digest and understand. The vast majority of what I saw was just ramblings from critics and lots of chats between those who have seen what is really behind the wizard’s curtain. I’m not knocking this of course but unless you’re a sadomasochist it takes a lot of will power to trawl through it all. Your averagely curious person simply isn’t going to do this. As such the truth will not be discovered and you will simply have caused a bit of a fuss for the church.
However, imagine this for a second… I am one of those mildly curious people and I watch some news story about the church and anonymous. There isn’t much on TV tonight anyways so I decide to check it out on line. I type in scientology, miscavige, anonymous, hubbard, etc, etc and the first thing that comes up is a very professional looking and simple site saying “your questions answered about scientology”. On the site I see a list of topics. Not loads of links, like there is on clambake, lermanet or even scientology’s sites for that matter, just a few or at the most ten. I click on the one that says “a brief history of scientology” after a 5 minute read I get the basic picture. Then I click on the “who is Hubbard” link. Again a few minutes read and I get the idea. Now I’m curious and my eyes are not square from trawling through loads of crap so I look at the rest of the links. Some suggestions would be;
“Who runs the church?”
“Where does the money go?”
“How many scientologists are there?”
“How many have left scientology?”
“Examples of abuse within the church”
“Examples of contradictions and hypocrisy” etc, etc.
If this is professionally presented, kept simple and is easily digestible I should walk away with a clear picture of the real goings on very quickly. There are enough of you out there to provide the details on all this and back it up with evidence. But the key is to make it simple, easily digestible and state nothing but facts. If you can’t get someone to look at all of the most important and pertinent information within an hour at the very most, well then you will have lost them. They will simply go back to watching friends re-runs and forget about it.
Scientology isn’t exactly the biggest problem in their lives or anyone else’s for that matter. It is a big problem for those who have been abused by them but in the grand scheme of things there are bigger issues to spend time researching for anyone leading a normal life. As an example; why would I be concerned about Lisa McPherson’s death at the hands of scientology when there are thousands being exterminated right now by oppressive regimes all over the world? Iraq anyone? Darfur? Zimbabwe? Etc, etc. Most people are charitable at home first and then if they are so inclined move onto bigger issues like global warming, standing up to Bush, China’s human rights abuses, etc. By the way I mean absolutely no disrespect to Lisa or her family. It is an abominable tragedy that was entirely preventable and I am personally utterly disgusted with the church’s actions regarding the whole mess, as any human would be. I’m simply trying to make the point that you have to keep what you are doing in perspective with what the rest of the world thinks. Otherwise you will not be successful.
Perspective is of course one of the things that will ensure the church never succeeds as many of you know. They simply cannot fit their warped world into the real one and though it seems they are trying to of late, with your efforts it will simply be to too little to late. I just don’t want you to make the same mistake as them.
So again, make sure your message is digestible, truthful and simple. Just assume the point of view of those that are curious and make sure whatever you are doing leads them to the truth.
The scientologists
Okay, onto the third group, the scientologists. Actually this falls into two groups, the scientologists and the sea org/staff members but essentially the same applies for both. Two things will happen with the vast majority of scientologists, staff and SO members. They will either be blindly galvanised and doggedly fight and react to all this “entheta” or they will start to ask questions.
Those that see red and “go to guns” as it were will of course follow “managements” direction which, I can assure you, is far from figured as yet. They simply do not know how to deal with this. Many of you have noticed the change in tact recently and wondered what is going on. Well the truth is they simply don’t have any “references” to deal with this. There is no target and they are lost without that. Take magoo’s advice on that one. Create a group and you will be targeted. Stay anonymous and they can do nothing but watch. The other reaction will be one of questioning. Why are there so many people against us? Could it be my doubts have been right all along? It is these guys you need to cater for.
For those in anonymous who were once “in” you know what I’m talking about. It is the questions you couldn’t answer that ultimately lead to you getting the hell out of dodge. So you must cater to those questions effectively. You can do this with leaflets, a website or any other means of media distribution but, as above, the information has to be simple, succinct and digestible.
So far you just haven’t streamlined it enough, there is too much frivolous information that waters down what they really need to know. Case in point is the xenu stuff. This just creates the wrong reaction. It doesn’t make them think. It simply makes them react. My suggestion would be to create that simple, honest and succinct website with all those questions scientologists, staff and SO members have inevitably asked themselves over the years.
“What really happened when LRH died?”
“It’s been 21 years, why has he not come back if the planet is not yet cleared?”
“What really happens at Int?”
“Where is Heber?” etc, etc.
Again you have all the info you need already. Just work with the critics closely and get a good writer to simplify it and make it digestible. The whole “musical chairs” story at Int is a good example but it comes across as being an elaborative rant. I know it’s true and so do must of you but this will be interpreted as lies by someone still under the influence. Retold compassionately, without prejudice or embellishment and kept utterly simple this could very easily end up on the news. Just imagine that for a second!
So again, you must direct the interest you generate so that it leads them to the answers they have never been given. This absolutely has to be simplified so that it is inevitable for anyone who starts looking to find out what is really going on. It also has to be compassionate. Remember these are the guys who are being abused as you read this. They know no better. You can change that.
The critics Obviously this is like Christmas to you guys. But be warned, get to giddy about all this and it will back fire on you too.
This bit is really addressed to the critics themselves but you both need to work together and as such it applies to you both. Now is the time to start being civilised and not jump up and down about the fall of scientology. Scientology will never fall. The church as it is now may, David Miscavige may, but scientology will never go away. Jim logan’s analogy was spot on. You can take away the car but you will never take away the idea of motorised transport. Freezone anyone? What you are on the brink of doing is getting more people to know the truth behind the church than those who believe their lies. This should result in a major change within the church, hopefully resulting in the abuses stopping and whatever good exists (if there really is any to be had) continuing.
If you haven’t read The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell I thoroughly recommend it. You are very, very close to this, BUT YOU ARE NOT THERE YET! If you really, really care about everything that has happened to you and those you love who have been through the ringer at the hands of the church then now is the time to get smart. And I mean really, really smart.
I’m going to be a bit cruel here I’m afraid to prove my point. No doubt Arnie will read this at some point and may I just say that I hold absolutely no grudge against you personally. Far from it in fact, I have a great deal of respect for you and in time you will be rewarded in ways you never imagined but at this point I’m sorry to say I have to use you as an example. Watching Arnie being interviewed makes me cringe. He comes across as a very disturbed individual indeed. He is not I know and he has been through hell for which I am truly sorry. If the truth be told I actually think he is just incredibly scared of what will happen to him after the interview or at least he is just very nervous. But this is the age of image and we come to judgement far, far too quickly. This means the message is lost before he even starts talking.
Conversely Jenna Miscavige has done more for your cause than anyone in recent history. Why? Though she is David’s niece that actually has little to do with it (though of course that is the main reason she was interviewed so maybe that isn’t quite true, however it is how effective she was with her point about scientology that I am referring to). In contrast to Arnie she is instantly likeable. She is relaxed, she is sincere and she is, as far as everyone watching is concerned, a normal person they can instantly relate to. You cannot help but take every word in. This has to do with humanity’s deepest primal instincts regarding attraction and interaction. When you see someone you like the look of and are on some very basic level attracted to (NOT sexually), you listen to what they have to say with a sympathetic ear, otherwise known as empathy. Again, read the tipping point book. I don’t want to get into this too deep but the point is that likeability goes a long, long way to getting one to agree with a particular point of view. George Bush and Tony Blair are very good examples.
So… what to do? Hire a bunch of really good looking and highly skilled actors to front for you in interviews? No, of course not. You just need to assume the point of view of the general public and ask yourself would this person come across as being likeable, sincere and believable. Mr. Bunker springs to mind but there are many others. Don’t obsess on this ether. Just heed my basic point. Whoever we see talking about the church will be judged almost instantly on their image and after that their sincerity and likeability so chose those that speak out within the media well. As I said Mr. Bunker ticks a lot of boxes but there are others.
I would also seriously discourage you from doing “mystery” interviews. They work well for under cover police officers and the like as we can all relate to why they can’t show their identity but “Joe public” does not understand the lengths the church will go to destroy someone who speaks out. They just instantly think “what are they hiding”? It’s tricky I know but make use of those who are willing to speak out whilst heeding the guide lines above and you will have much, much more impact I promise you.
The other thing I would seriously discourage you from is celebrity bashing. I know it is fun but most of these guys are genuinely liked by millions of people. They enjoy their movies, their TV shows and the like. Personally I have little time for Tom Cruise or Jenna Elfman and many others. But the vast, vast majority of people across the world still love these guys. Your bashing them really doesn’t help. I’m sorry but it’s the truth. I know you’ll struggle with this one but just leave them be. They are NOT the problem. And when you do have a go at them YOU look bad, not them. They are doing a pretty good job of making themselves look bad so just let them get on with it. You also must listen to the critic’s advice when they give it. Some of them are understandably angry as they feel you are undermining their work and some of them are getting very excited in the hopes you will help them in ways they never thought possible. Listen to them all. They have been fighting this fight for a long time now and they will save you from wasting your time and efforts. If you don’t heed their advice, and I refer in particular to the more balanced ones such as “the beard” and “magoo,” you will almost certainly fail. In fact I can guarantee it. Not only that you will regret the day you even bothered to start this whole movement. They know how determined David is. You don’t. Listen to them and listen to them well. Well that’s it really. Hopefully that is of some help. I’ll cover the points below in summary for those without the time to go through all the above.
Summary
Your strengths are not your anonymity or your numbers (though they will help a lot!) but rather your perspective and the information you have. But it is how you get this information across that is utterly critical.
You have four different “markets” that will be digesting and reacting to your activities. The “general public “ who aren’t really bothered, the “curious about scientology” who may or may not get involved depending on what they hear, the scientologists themselves and of course the critics. The interest you generate from all of your activities will be wasted if it is not directed effectively to the truth about what is going on in the church. At present it is almost impossible to gain any succinct insight into all this unless you are a tireless reporter or similar and are willing to trawl through loads of random info on the internet for hours and hours on end and try to piece it all together.
My suggestion to you is streamline your message throughout all your activities. Make sure these messages are digestible to the layman (xenu is just to wacky and makes you look as silly as they are) and present information and stories they can relate to (Jenna Miscavige’s story is a perfect example) so that the general public instantly get put off, the “curious” are led to your info and not the church’s and the scientologists, staff and SO members who can’t help but ask questions get the answers they need to get the hell out of there.
You need to create a really, really simple campaign (website, flyers, etc) that state the facts. There is no one source of information out there yet. Clambake, lermanet and even the church’s own sites are just too convoluted to trawl through. Even the recent “scientology disconnection” site isn’t good enough. YOU MUST FOCUS THIS INFORMATION TO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED!
Lastly you must, must, must heed the advice of the critics who have been fighting this fight for years
now. In particular I refer to “the bearded one” and “magoo.” They know what they are talking about
and you risk wasting your time or worse, hindering their valiant efforts if you do not.
You have all the info and proof you need to achieve your stated aims but if things aren’t organized you will inevitably have created nothing more than a big distraction with little lasting effect. Get it right and you will have well and truly started the end of the church of scientology as it is known today.
Again, simplify your message. Make it easily digestible. Keep it civilized and compassionate. And make sure you direct those whose attention you have to the information they need to walk away from the nightmare. I wish you all the best in your respective journeys.
Good luck and god speed!
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=293871 Gnat Eitoop 19:22, 10 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Historical Significance?
I could be wrong but I think this is the first Globally scheduled protest; I know global efforts have been made before for things like stopping genocide and such but not exactly protests of this nature... this would be a nice angle to leak to the media if it were accurate.
Anyone got the history to check into this?
[edit] Who the hell put Chicago in Twice?
Let me say that The guy who talked about permits was a newfag. And left because it was cold. 20-70 anon stayed till close to 4 @ 3:30 they made a march to the train lines. Handed out flyers. Got thumbs up from the cops. Had one woman tell them that she would no longer be joining the church, A processes she had started just a week ago. Anon told the newfag he was a newfag. In response he said he was cold and the polite police story. Others in his group called him a newfag/pussy but many believed and left with him. The real issue was Newfags gathered in front of the church which wasn't allowed. the cops said cross the street. They didn't say leave. This was clarified many times by the cops who were there to protect anon during the day. Anon flierred hundreds of cars, was honked at continuously, was told many sad tales of CoS duechbaggery, and thanked by people in the street again and again. Permit newfag needs to get his head examined because there is no permit for a moving protest needed. Only permits needed are for if you are blocking the street. You can never get a permit to block the CoS entrance. Keep that in mind for march. March Will Be Epic.
Perhaps still not epic win because media coverage was low. But it did not end at 12:30. That's when one group of newfags left. Unless there are serious objections anon will be editing the wiki.
anon didn't see double chicago post but if that is the case it should be made into one and anon will do that.
[edit] How fitting that...
The highest turnout was in the place where the first CoS was built. HedgeJew 05:59, 11 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Full scan of the leaf?
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/b/bb/Perthleaflet.jpg Any one got it?
[edit] Ottawa lulz
Photo and article in the Sun and 24 Hours.
http://ottsun.canoe.ca/News/OttawaAndRegion/2008/02/11/4839922.html
SciFags got RickRolled irl ... enhanced lulz bonus 10x multiplier
[edit] Add 4chanarchive links
Add this to the top:
| OH SHI- 4chanarchive has epic archived /b/ threads related to this topic for great justice.
the raids:
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[edit] MOAR SCIENTOLOGY REACTION/RESPONSE
--LSDude 16:09, 11 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] MARCH 15th
As most of you are probably aware, a second IRL protest is being planned... Ive just put up something quick, feel free to take it down, havent seen much about the second raid on ED, thaught it was time we pimped it a little...
- I'm interested! Where are these announced? MachineCode 23:26, 16 February 2008 (CST)
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY/IRL_PROTEST_PAGE/IDES_OF_MARCH http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY/IRL_PROTEST_PAGE/IDES_OF_MARCH http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY/IRL_PROTEST_PAGE/IDES_OF_MARCH ◄ € Zenophile ﮚ ► æ ◄ Ǽ Talk ► 23:48, 16 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] SAVED SCIENTOLOGIST, philadelphia raid video
saved Scientologist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwtJrGrn7w
Philadelphia raid compilation video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHxy8OoQXVI&feature=user
I was hoping a wikian could help post this cleanly if it warrants linking —The preceding comment was added by Ebaumguy, who is too much of a faggot to sign his or her own posts. IT'S 4 TILDES (~), NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
Whoever got that woman out before she got too far in wins 100 Internets. HedgeJew 08:22, 12 February 2008 (CST)
[edit] Organization site
I've created a site to help in organizing the irl cakewalks over at http://disconnect.anonychan.org.
